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Q&A with Curtiss Clayton
Describe the character of Rick for us:
The
truth is, I based him on myself. It's remarkably easy to access
those kinds of feelings within oneself, I think, which is why Rick
turns out to be such a sympathetic character despite his initial
harshness. Who hasn't felt that they are unappreciated, or that
they are cursed by having to suffer idiots all around them? Rick's
anger comes from the feeling that he has no control, despite the
wealth and position he enjoys -- he's desperate to find someone
in his orbit who will DO WHAT THEY'RE TOLD. If Michelle had only
waited outside like she was told to, so much unhappiness could have
been avoided.
To
us, the core of the film is the relationship between Rick and his
daughter. Can you talk about that?
Rick's
feelings for his daughter are his weak spot because that's where
his humanity comes into play. That seems like a contradiction except
for the fact that Rick, like all of us, lives in a society where
human feelings and needs are treated as opportunities for exploitation.
Buck, not Rick, is the ultimate capitalist because he unerringly
zeroes in on Rick's fear of losing his daughter and uses that fear
to make a killing -- literally. If Rick didn't care about his daughter
or feel the need to hold onto her as the only link to his wife (or
to himself -- thus, "I used to be a good person"), he
wouldn't be such an easy mark. It's the tragedy of the existence
we've made for ourselves that such basic and decent human feelings
become weaknesses, not strengths.
Tell
us about Bill Pullman and Agnes Bruckner. What did you talk about
before shooting began?
Bill
and Agnes have very different qualities as actors, and I think that
gives the film a great deal of dimension. Bill and I talked exhaustively
before shooting began -- we had many meetings, going into every
nuance of the entire script, not just Rick's character. Agnes, on
the other hand, I met with once before the cameras rolled and she
showed up in New York 36 hours before we started. But it was obvious
that she had an intuitive understanding of the character and I never
worried that she wouldn't be ready. Even on set, the differences
between Bill and Agnes were clear -- Bill liked to do a lot of takes,
and kept finding interesting, fresh nuances; Agnes was usually right
on target from the first take and tended to become bored when we
did it over and over. I was quite fascinated by the difference in
their methods and I think it makes the interplay between their performances
remarkably complex.
Why
do you think Rick has become such an asshole?
I
don't think he's an asshole. You have to understand the reasons
he's behaving the way he does, and I don't mean simply that his
wife is dead or he hates his boss. Rick is at a crisis point because
he senses he's hit a dead end, that the system he's served so faithfully
has almost used him up. He's always believed in the system; he's
never questioned the way things are or looked inside himself. Thus
he's not equipped to understand the desperation he's feeling. I
see Rick's lack of awareness as his tragic flaw. He's bought into
the system totally, he believed the payoff would come -- this is
his faith. But the payoff hasn't come. There is no value placed
on loyalty or devotion in the capitalist world. It doesn't love
you back. And Rick is not a self-sacrificing team player; he's not
about to go quietly when his usefulness is ended. His vanity and
sense of entitlement compel him to take action against his own negation.
Are
you trying to make a specific point about male ego with Rick? Do
you think the movie will confirm women's worst assumptions about
men?
I
don't think the point about ego is specific to men, unfortunately.
It's a characteristic of human nature, male and female. Men simply
have more opportunity in a sexist society to parade their egos.
Women, given a chance, will often behave just as badly.
As
a first-time director, what was it about the material that drew
you in?
I
was more interested in making a certain kind of film than I was
in simply making a film. I had established an identity for myself
as an editor of interesting, unusual films and I knew that I would
similarly define myself as a director by the kind of material I
chose for my first film. RICK was a script that I instantly felt
I understood and could handle. It expressed, in such a clever and
fresh way, so much of what I feel about human nature and our maddening
insistence on making ourselves unhappy. It also had integrity --
you could sense that Daniel Handler was writing to satisfy himself,
not any sort of commercial demands. I wanted to make it clear from
the start that, as a director, I would doing that kind of material
and that's why I was so happy to find the script.
How
did you become involved with the project?
Ruth
Charny, the producer, knew that I wanted to direct and that I was
interested in a specific type of material. She told me about the
script, which Daniel Handler had supposedly written in 24 hours,
and allowed me to rummage through her apartment in search of the
one copy she had. I found it, and read it the same night. Of course
I loved it, but after my experiences trying to get support for much
less abrasive material I didn't believe anyone would finance it.
Ruth, however, seemed fully confident and in an amazingly short
time we had a deal with ContentFilm.
A
stomach flu hit your set at the start of production but only seemed
to affect the men. Was there some karmic male curse on the movie?
I think it may have been the ghosts of capitalists past, outraged
that we were allowed to invade their citadels, trying to stop us.
How
did shooting on location in New York influence your storytelling?
The first day of pre-production I walked around the Wall Street
area and observed how the architecture, especially the older buildings,
expressed the grandiose arrogance of the capitalists who built the
area. That made a deep impression, and solved a key problem for
me, which was how to bring something fresh to the very familiar
atmosphere of the corporate world. With this "Fountainhead"
design idea in mind, locations all over New York began to suggest
themselves, from the Waldorf apartment which serves as Rick's home
to the old world restaurant where Rick and Eve eat dinner to the
ornate building lobby which was the original home of Standard Oil.
There really isn't anyplace besides New York that could have provided
the same backdrop.
To
us, the party scene felt like a horror movie. Was that your intention?
I
had not set out intentionally to model the party scene on a horror
movie, but the comparison is a nice one. Horror stories have classically
been seen as an expression of subconscious fears and desires, and
Image Corporation's Christmas party is certainly an occasion for
the release of long-suppressed hatreds and lusts. Besides, there's
something inherently disturbing about a situation where people are
required to have a good time.
If
you learned one thing about making movies from Gus Van Sant, what
would that be?
For
making movies, Portland, Oregon beats Hollywood any day.
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