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Scott Derrickson Says It’s The Golden Era For Superhero Genre

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  1. Hcat says:

    Hard to argue that it is not the dominant film genre, though its a modern film genre and not a classic one. As for this being its golden age…how the hell can you tell? Does this mean that this year, a few prior, and a few future years are the best that the genre will ever be? Because with a few exceptions, that’s not a great sampling of movies.

    That’s the problem with twitter, its just shit shouted out the window of a passing car.

  2. Stella's Boy says:

    Good points hcat. Are the best superhero movies going to be regarded as highly as the best noirs and westerns? And are there as many good superhero movies as there are noirs and westerns? Sure there’s a shit ton of superhero movies being made, but quantity isn’t quality. I’m more with Foster on this one.

  3. brack says:

    Hcat – “that’s just like your opinion, man” 😉

    The continued box office successes for the MCU (which has been consistently entertaining as well, with the height of its pure fun factor in the form of Thor Ragnarok) isn’t just luck. Fox, WB, while not nearly as successful, have some quality stuff. The Dark Knight trilogy was another milestone, but the MCU time and time again brings it.

    What’s your definition of “golden age”? People throw around that term a lot, like Golden Age of Television. We might have to come up with a higher standard later on. Platinum Age? Diamond Age? Just sounds like semantics. I take it as the start of the Golden Age.

    A lot of this will hinge on how well Infinity War really turns out, because it’s a movie that’s a culmination of a decade of movies. It’s something that’s never really been done before, and I like that Marvel Studios seems to be just going for it lately, at least with Ragnarok. They can afford to take risks, which they have to, because origin stories get old.

    We’ve only touched the surface of the types of stories and characters that can/will be explored. So I think it’s fair we’re at the beginning of a Golden Era, especially if these movies are world building in the right way, not in the DCEU kind of half-asses way.

  4. palmtree says:

    I have a feeling that when all is said and done, the MCU itself will be seen as one huge classic work, depending on how well they can stick the landing in Infinity Wars. I know there are movies planned after that, but still, it will never quite be a lead up like this.

  5. brack says:

    Palm – I think you hit the nail on the head. Unless they bring these characters out of retirement or what not, because these actors won’t be doing Cap, Thor, Iron Man too much longer is my guess.

  6. Hcat says:

    This all depends on what he means by Golden Age, when did it start? Iron Man, Batman Begins, X-men? There really hasn’t been any other age of superhero movies as a genre, yes there were series, a superman cycle and then a batman cycle, but those were practically like silent films were to talkies when discussing the genre.

    I’m all for there being wonderful, complex, euphoric superhero films (or films of any genre that meets those descriptions). But this could easily be the early years with the best yet to come.

    It makes me think of the all the tongue bathing television gets, Renaissance!!! New Golden Age!!! My entire life someone has been declaring that television had turned the corner to ground breaking movie killing art. You get a whole action movie every week at home with Knight Rider and A-Team, Dallas and Hill Street scratches different itches but neither have ever been seen before on television! We have Cheers, we have reached the summit!!! There is certainly room to grow in the superhero genre, I watched both new installments of Guardians and Spider-Man over break, huge room to grow. It would be as if someone in the early nineties was declaring a new golden age of family films. They were dominant at the box office but do we look back at the time of Home Alone as a Golden Age?

  7. Hcat says:

    brack – I would think the core team skips Avengers 5 and then all comes rushing back for a gianter team up Avengers 6 victory lap.

    It would interesting to see Downey be allowed to do a little something else.

  8. palmtree says:

    hcat, I agree superhero movies have room to grow. But do you think someone will be able to top this cinematic universe?

  9. Hcat says:

    Hell, I don’t see anyone even matching it in turns of scope. The end of infinity wars will make what 25 films over eleven years? Who else is going to go near that, WB will run out of breath far before then, both from lack of quality and not having as deep a bench. The MCU is a remarkable achievement like McDonald’s is a remarkable acheivement. I am awed by its success but nothing it has made makes my mouth water, Though I admit I hear Ragnorak is THE one, yet I had also heard the same about each cap, guardians, and ant man and those underwhelmed me.

  10. Nick says:

    Please define “American moral disregard”?

  11. Hcat says:

    I’m more fuzzy on basic moral attentiveness, Stark is basically a war criminal because of his negligence of Ultron, and Caps defense that Bucky should get a clean slate since he’s an old army buddy, or Thor hoping that Loki finally comes around…not outstanding moral examples.

    And come to think about it didn’t Fury spend his entire career inadvertently forwarding the Hydra agenda?

  12. palmtree says:

    “The MCU is a remarkable achievement like McDonald’s is a remarkable acheivement.”

    hcat, no it’s not. I know you mean that the MCU is successful but not of good quality, or something like that. And that’s your taste, so no argument there.

    But what I was getting at is this…There are over a dozen successful fast food chains competing against McDonald’s unlike the one successful cinematic universe that by your own admission will be near impossible to match and not for lack of trying (DCEU, Dark Universe). Maybe the MCU becomes McDonald’s when it gets played out and someone else does it better, but until then, its achievement stands alone.

    So far, I’d say I liked at least half of the MCU movies, loved maybe a quarter of them.

  13. Bulldog68 says:

    And nothing the MCU has done has rivaled Dark Knight in terms of quality IMO.

  14. Hcat says:

    Palm, absolutely my taste and I have no argument against anyone liking them. And while you cite that there are dozens of competitors that nip at McDonalds heels, they like DCU and the stillborn Dark Universe, all came up after McDonalds using the same strategy. Marvel was first, McDonalds first, imitators try to carve out similar niche in market share and are not successful at beating the trailblazer at their own game (lets see if this holds true for Netflix).

    We are in agreement it is unlikely that anyone is taking the crown from Marvel (though with the reabsorption of the entire Marvel Universe, who else besides WB has the raw materials to try such a thing).

    But I would agree with Bulldog not only on Dark Knight, but Spider-Man 2 X2 and the original Superman. These are the examples of rarefied air that comic adaptions can land. And again in my opinion Disney’s Marvel adaptions have not landed there yet. As far as my enjoyment they all land between Superman II and Superman III, which I admit is a pretty wide gap.

    But again I agree with the fact that its achievement stands alone, if McDonalds had been able to purchase 50% of the nations cattle they would likely have been able to maintain an equally commanding lead.

    If you would have told me ten years ago that everyone would still be going head to head with animation while Disney carved out a remarkable lead with comic book films (of which they had produced a grand total of one), I would have thought you were crazy.

  15. Stella's Boy says:

    I agree Bulldog. In all fairness I’ve only seen about half of the MCU, but none of them come close to the overall greatness of Dark Knight. Obviously the MCU is a remarkable achievement, but I think decades from now it will be admired for its financial success and not its quality.

  16. Greg says:

    The third in the Christian Bale trilogy isn’t that great and the last fourth of Dark Knight kinda blows also. I’m not sure it will be as well regarded years from now.

  17. palmtree says:

    “And nothing the MCU has done has rivaled Dark Knight in terms of quality IMO.”

    Sure, I agree with ya. But all I’m saying is that this misses the forest for the trees. You’re comparing sprint times when actually the MCU is running a marathon.

  18. Dr Wally Rises says:

    A better yardstick for the MCU than McDonalds would be EA Sports to be fair. They release much the same, tightly controlled, solid-7 games with subtle variations each year and no one seems to mind as they know exactly what they’re going to get with each serving. You could even argue that the expanding character rosters of The Avengers deliberately mimic the updating of team rosters which get gamers to shell out sixty bucks a year for the new Madden, or MLB or whatever.

  19. PTA Fluffer says:

    The problem with expanding MCU characters into the lesser-known tiers of the comic book world is that the general public doesn’t know these figures the way they do the more familiar icons. An Avengers fronted by Ant-man, Black Panther and the Scarlet Witch will not open to $200m.

  20. Bulldog68 says:

    I agree with you Palmtree. The MCU put out three movies this year, and all by general consensus were good. Thor being the best of its series. They deserve credit for putting out so much product and now consistently hitting the critical and financial success marks.

    Because of that I slightly disagree with PTA. The MCU is now such an established brand that they have already proven that their third tier heroes can be the headliners because they have earned the public’s trust. We forget Ironman wasn’t top tier to begin with. Hulk, Thor, Cpt America, were certainly more well known to non comic book readers, but because of the built up good will, GotG outgrossed every Marvel movie save The Avengers in 2014. Only a tangential link to The Avengers was needed, and so they are reaping the benefits of that trust, and I think evidence of that was the complete retooling of the Thor movie, where they turned their moodiest themed storyline into essentially a road comedy. They did it well, and the people showed up. And unlike Civil War, they didn’t have to do Avengers 2.75 to get it done.

    They are building the next chapter. Black Panther is just starting, and he’s already a leader in his own right. Who knows, he could be the Barack Obama of the MCU, if the movie plays well.

    At this point, the only thing that will stop the MCU, is if they completely start shitting the bed. Sure at some point this tide will ebb, but I still see at least another decade of strong, if not world beating returns, and it’ll be another interesting chapter when XMen get involved and we are free from the Xavier vs Magneto storyline for every XMen movie, and instead see that Wolverine vs Hulk movie everyone and their grandmother wants to see. Lol.

  21. Hcat says:

    I totally agree that Marvel, like Pixar, has more than half the marketing work cut out for them, no matter what the property once the marvel name is dropped in front of it it becomes a tentpole

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