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Friday Estimates by Dear Bond Make It Stop Klady

Friday Esitmates 2015-10-31 at 8.58.48 AM

SCARY.

28 Responses to “Friday Estimates by Dear Bond Make It Stop Klady”

  1. Hcat says:

    Saturday Halloween, spectacular for the beer companies (or is it company now), but murder for the movies.

  2. Geoff says:

    Wow why is Steve Jobs tanking so quickly? Very good movie and pretty much a crowd pleaser…..yeah I get that neither Fassbender nor Boyle are really audience draws, but were Eisenberg or Fincher genuine draws for The Social Network? Well Eisenberg was just coming off of Zombieland…..

  3. movieman says:

    Since when did Halloween become an occasion for adults (I use that term advisedly) to party?
    When I was growing up, Halloween was pretty much kaput by the time you hit ten, at which point you were too embarrassed to trick-or-treat any longer.

    Another thing to blame on the post-Boomer generations who simply refuse to grow up (hey there “Star Wars,” Marvel, et al), I suppose.

  4. Amblinman says:

    @Movieman, when companies realized they could in effect create a second Christmas season.

  5. movieman says:

    I thought “Super Bowl Sunday” was the second Xmas, Amblin.

  6. Ray Pride says:

    It’s the end of the world as we know it. Everything’s an excuse for parties, movieman. Like in all the better last-days-on-earth scenarios.

  7. Triple Option says:

    I’m not exactly sure when but Halloween is now the 2nd biggest day for alcohol consumption behind New Year’s. Costumes are better. There’s more to do. Inhibitions go down. If you’re Larry from accounting, you might want to restrain yourself but who the f- cares if Super Mario ties one on.

  8. Bodhizefa says:

    Halloween has become the 18-39 demographic’s answer to having to spend time with their parents/families during Thanksgiving and Christmas. It’s essentially the only time we all have to party with our friends until New Years, and we’re taking it to extreme levels these days.

  9. Hcat says:

    In my forties with two kids living in suburbia and every third house was hanging out in the garage handing the occasional shot out to the parents walking the kids around in the wet weather. As far back as my teens I remember Halloween being a party night. In the twenties it meant a happy hour on a weekday but when it hits a weekend people mostly do about four times the usual volume. Nobody Carrols anymore, so this is the easiest way to raise a beer with a neighbor. Nothing to tut tut about.

  10. Mike says:

    Yeah, Halloween is about the family you choose. Thanksgiving and Christmas is the family you’re stuck with.

  11. JS Partisan says:

    Seriously movieman? Halloween pisses you off? Well, I am sorry that there are some members of different generations (the ones that haven’t had a hand in fucking over the world), have decided to enjoy their childhoods into adulthood, and not throw them away.

    I remember watching Looney Tunes with my pops, and I mentioned how I would watch them even in adulthood. My pops, rather shocked by this, mentioned that adults do not watch cartoons, and I found his response to be fucking stupid. If you enjoy being an adult so much movie man, then why on earth do you visit blogs? Seriously.

    Outside of that, it’s a holiday weekend, and everyone is waiting to see Spectre next week. It’s not scary. It’s just Halloween: THE SECOND BIGGEST HOLIDAY IN THE UNITED STATES (and guaranteed to piss off old dudes)!

  12. movieman says:

    Grow up, JS!

    America is the only country in the world where people are actually encouraged to remain children forever.
    This ain’t Neverland.

  13. movieman says:

    I bet you wear shower slippers and shorts (in public) 12 months a year, too, lol.

  14. Shane says:

    Please tell us all more about how to live, act and behave movieman! I may just come on here to start running things by you. The Muppets? They’re puppets (for kids, natch!) but the humor is decidedly adult. A toughie! Frosted Mini-Wheats? Whole wheat (adult!) but also frosting (just for stupid kids!) The Beatles? Classic, but sometimes they sing about octopi and yellow submarines. Hmmmmmm. Please weigh in and tell me which black/white yes/no answer is the right one. I’m nervous that I’ve been consuming and enjoying non-age-appropriate media!!!!!! Help!!!!!!

  15. palmtre says:

    I don’t think the idea is that adults should go around trick or treating.

    I think it’s more that they enjoy dressing up and partying, AKA stuff that adults do.

  16. JS Partisan says:

    Movieman, no thanks. I will enjoy my fucking Looney Tunes. Thank you very much.

  17. leahnz says:

    movieman i kind of feel where you’re coming from re the infantilising of adults in the current culture, but i think Halloween taps into that uniquely imaginative childhood fantasyland of ‘playing dress-up’ that’s drummed out of us as we become adults but finds an outlet in the one night a year it’s culturally acceptable to indulge that inner child and dark horror tropes (plus it’s an excuse for grown-ups to go to parties and get pissed and act weird, never underestimate the need; never seen adults trick-or-treating without kids though, this would be very odd, is this actually a thing? i hope not). or, you become a thespian so you can do it on the regular.
    this year i went to a neato Halloween ‘do as ‘Girl’ from ‘a girl walks home alone at night’, i got pulled around on my old skateboard a lot so that was good

  18. Bulldog68 says:

    When you’re 47 years old and your 10 year old daughter sees that you’re willing to play dress-up with her, it’s totally worth it.
    And having not grown up in a Halloween culture, going to a Halloween party at the local pub and seeing adults have some kid style fun, while having a few, is a good time in my book.
    Then people go back to their lives the next day. What’s wrong with that?

  19. Bulldog68 says:

    One other thing, and I’m sure others can think of other examples, but the Director of Jaws also gave us E.T The Director of Mad Max also gave us Happy Feet and Babe. And the Director of Goodfellas, also gave us Hugo. So I’m all for people never growing up and never letting the child in them die.

  20. leahnz says:

    how about cuaron – P o azkaban, little princess; wolfgang peterson – never ending story; spike jonze – where the wild things are; bob clark – a christmas story…also that repugnant ‘baby’ shit, i block that out (maybe vaughn – stardust? not sure if that’s PG enough)

  21. movieman says:

    Leah- There’s nothing wrong w/ unleashing your Inner Child from time to time. I’ve done it on occasion myself, lol.
    But when you make it a lifestyle choice, that’s arrested development.
    American as a nation these days seems to be populated solely w/ “grown ups” suffering from an advanced case of a.d.
    And that depresses the hell out of me.
    Why else do Hollywood studios routinely devote 75% of their production budgets to “all-ages-friendly” flotsam?
    And precious few of them are worthy of being discussed in the same breath as an “E.T.” or “Where the Wild Things Are.”

  22. Hcat says:

    So here’s a thought, if someone claims you might be in a state of eternal adolescence perhaps throwing a tantrum is not the best way to counter the arguement.

    And yes frosted mini wheats are for children, if you have to defend your sugar cereal you’ve already lost,

    As far as animation goes though, while I am tired as well with the pg13afication of the film world, the thought of cartoons as only being a child’s medium is a bit flawed. Wouldn’t a cartoon have been played immediately preceding citizen Kane. And a looney tunes right before Casablanca?

  23. leahnz says:

    i get your meaning movieman – and sadly movies for adults aren’t faring all that well at the box office so it’s a bit of a depressing cycle of shrinking cinema

  24. Bulldog68 says:

    Anomlisa from Charlie Kaufman should be interesting. Been a while since we had a cartoon geared specifically toward adults.

  25. leahnz says:

    psyched to see ‘anomlisa’

  26. Ray Pride says:

    So worth going in knowing no more than you already know about Anomalisa.

  27. leahnz says:

    i just mimicked bulldog’s spelling, i blame him

    i’ll say that ‘anomalisa’ looks super weird and that’s a good, good thing – weird is solely lacking in the current cinema du blande so seeing stuff like anomalisa and the lobster and even under the skin, esoteric cinema being made is a thrill (though hardly anybody sees it, esp in the cinema, so wah wah, sad trombone)

  28. Bulldog68 says:

    I take full responsibilitee.

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This is probably going to sound petty, but Martin Scorsese insisting that critics see his film in theaters even though it’s going straight to Netflix and then not screening it in most American cities was a watershed moment for me in this theatrical versus streaming debate.

I completely respect when a filmmaker insists that their movie is meant to be seen in the theater, but the thing is, you got to actually make it possible to see it in the theater. Some movies may be too small for that, and that’s totally OK.

When your movie is largely financed by a streaming service and is going to appear on that streaming service instantly, I don’t really see the point of pretending that it’s a theatrical film. It just seems like we are needlessly indulging some kind of personal fantasy.

I don’t think that making a feature film length production that is going to go straight to a video platform is some sort of “step down.“ I really don’t. Theatrical exhibition as we know it is dying off anyway, for a variety of reasons.

I should clarify myself because this thread is already being misconstrued — I’m talking about how the movie is screened in advance. If it’s going straight to Netflix, why the ritual of demanding people see it in the theater?

There used to be a category that everyone recognized called “TV movie” or “made for television movie” and even though a lot of filmmakers considered that déclassé, it seems to me that probably 90% of feature films fit that description now.

Atlantis has mostly sunk into the ocean, only a few tower spires remain above the waterline, and I’m increasingly at peace with that, because it seems to be what the industry and much of the audience wants. We live in an age of convenience and information control.

Only a very elite group of filmmakers is still allowed to make movies “for theaters“ and actually have them seen and judged that way on a wide scale. Even platform releasing seems to be somewhat endangered. It can’t be fought. It has to be accepted.

9. Addendum: I’ve been informed that it wasn’t Scorsese who requested that the Bob Dylan documentary only be screened for critics in theaters, but a Netflix representative indicated the opposite to me, so I just don’t know what to believe.

It’s actually OK if your film is not eligible for an Oscar — we have a thing called the Emmys. A lot of this anxiety is just a holdover from the days when television was considered culturally inferior to theatrical feature films. Everybody needs to just get over it.

In another 10 to 20 years they’re probably going to merge the Emmys in the Oscars into one program anyway, maybe they’ll call it the Contentys.

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In her essay The White Album, Joan Didion wrote: “Many people I know in Los Angeles believe that the Sixties ended abruptly on August 9, 1969, ended at the exact moment when word of the murders on Cielo Drive traveled like brushfire through the community, and in a sense this is true.”

Early in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, as Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt’s characters drive up the hill towards Leo’s bachelor pad, the camera cranes up gently to reveal a street sign: Cielo Drive. Tarantino understands how charged that name is; he can hear the Molotov cocktails clinking as he shoulders the crate.

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No spoilers whatsoever about what transpires on screen. But in the audience, as it became clear how Tarantino was going to handle this extraordinarily loaded moment, the room soured and split, like a pan of cream left too long on the hob. I craned in, amazed, but felt the person beside me recoil in either dismay or disgust.

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