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  1. hcat says:

    Finally caught up with Cowboys and Aliens and was as disappointed as the rest of you seemed to be. I not a big Farveau fan but even his lesser movies had a ton more energy than this rather listless slog. For the talent on screen and the apparently 5+ expensive scriptwriters I am amazed I didn’t care a thing about what was happening to anyone.

    I was actually turning the corner and becoming excited about Battleship until C&A came around to remind me that everytime Universal bets the bank (Waterworld, Dante’s Peak, Grinch, Kong, Land of the Lost) the results are mostly blah.

  2. sanj says:

    DP is really kicking it with lots of new dp/30′s…

    Jennifer Lawrence is really promoting the Hunger Games all over the place – mostly malls where the cast does autographs and question and answers ..

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hunger+games+mall+tour

    directed by Gary Ross …who ? there seems to ba a handful of directors who want to take on these huge
    books with huge action pieces … if they got
    Jon Favreau would it make extra money ? be better film ?

    i want to see Jennifer in Maxim 2012 hot 100 – #1 … she
    was #10 in 2011 …

    also want to see a double dp/30 with Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone – both got big films this year and they
    sure got more famous – DP make it happen.

  3. bulldog68 says:

    I also turned the corner on Battleship hcat. The first trailer was MEH, the second was much better, and the third one today was to me a bit too revealing. At the end of the day, I’m a bit of a sucker for these end of the world type flicks, and I got an Armageddon vibe from today’s trailer, which in my book is a good thing as far as these type of blockbusters go. Basically, I’m just looking for Transformers without the the lame Michael Bay jokes.

    I see Battleship going two ways, either Armageddon or Battle Los Angeles.

    And the Three Stooges trailer is funny as hell.

  4. Don R. Lewis says:

    I just finished the first HUNGER GAMES book….what a weird experience. It has all the virtue and bad writing as any young adult novel but MAN, it’s pretty brutal and violent. I’m not surprised by the news today that the Brits demanded some cuts if the movie is anything like the book in terms of violence and death. I just don’t see why the author aimed this at young girls when it could have been a pretty kick-ass adult fiction book. It also ends really strangely so I’m curious to see what the film does with this. I’m actually kind of excited to see what they do overall.

  5. sanj says:

    this one is for DP mostly …

    newspapers don’t seem to be dead – i’m just too stupid
    to understand the nytimes .

    Former NY Times CEO paid $23.7 Million exit package

    http://boingboing.net/2012/03/13/former-nyt-ceo-paid-23-7m-exi.html

  6. Yancy Skancy says:

    bulldog: I agree about the Stooges trailer; I wasn’t sure when it was first announced, but now I’m looking forward to it. I hope the Farrellys don’t modernize it too much though, with a ton of sexual references and the like. The presence of Snooki does not perhaps bode well in that department. That said, the funniest thing in the trailer is the feeling I got in my pants when Kate Upton came up out of that pool. BOW!

  7. sanj says:

    what happens when Justin Bieber, Selena, Ashley Tisdale
    do a music video together for fun ? 22 million views and 97,000 comments .. impressive – they must have used all that social media / twitter links

    this has fast edits so its hard to tell who is who …unless your super big fans .

    anybody like this video / song ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsBsBU3vn6M

  8. scooterzz says:

    re: hunger games…SPOILER – SPOILER – SPOILER

    i’m not sure this actually is a spoiler but better safe than flamed…ross does a very smart thing with the arena scenes by using hand-held cams and very quick cuts so that the violence is not as graphic as the novel but every bit as effective….it also works to put the viewer in the arena rather than just watching it…it’s rated fairly at PG-13 so can’t imagine why the brits would have a problem with it…the movie is very true to the text and ends, pretty much, like the book (as i remember, it’s been a while since the screening)……

  9. Bennett says:

    Anyone else shocked on how well reviewed 21 jump street is?
    I didn’t think the trailer is that good, but if it keeps it’s rotten tomatoes number up, I’ll have to see it.

    I know that David often says that an opening weekend is all about marketing and not quality, but I disagree. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I always check rotten tomatoes before I go see a movie. For example, I was excited to see John Carter on opening weekend, but as I saw the score drop I decided to skip it.

    People like me might not have made John Carter a hit, but it might have changed it’s numbers. If it had more positive reviews then more families might have chosen to see it instead of Lomax.

  10. David Poland says:

    sanj – that NYT payout is more than the last 3 years of profit at the NYT. Very controversial.

  11. jesse says:

    I guess it’s a little more enlightened to scrutinize a Rotten Tomatoes score rather than going for whatever has the coolest commercial when deciding to see a movie… but in a lot of ways it’s just as alien to me. And I write film criticism, sometimes getting on Rotten Tomatoes! A RT score is just a poll of a shit-ton of writers, some great, some completely weak, many in the middle. To prize RT score over genre or filmmakers or actors or the mood you’re in is to try moviegoing into some kind of pristine never-offensive experience. I try not to write reviews that tell people whether or not to see a movie (although I suppose if something is truly terrible or amazing I try to make a case); I like the Ebert model of accurately describing the movie from your POV, which can be just as informative as thumbs up/thumbs down, if not moreso.

    Then again, I shouldn’t be knocking anyone for using film crit as a consumer guide, as at least they’re reading it (or, uh, paying attention to it, I guess, as RT can take away all of that pesky reading stuff) at all.

  12. Don R. Lewis says:

    Bennett- it’s another case of movie blogger overhype. In fact, I bet 21 JUMPSTREET dies a quiet death like every other blogger circle jerk movie for the past 4 years. Austin (a city I adore) has become like Seattle circa 1996. Buncha hardcore fans moved there, overpraise everything and lessen the value of a once vibrant artistic community.

    Scooterzzzz: That’s interesting but, it also reminds me of something I DIDN’T like about JOHN CARTER which was how there was violence (particularly loss of limbs and a head) but they cut away and there’s very little blood. I found it distraction and kinda pussying out.

    I’m still excited for HUNGER GAMES but again, the source material is weird. Like…(and I don’t think this is a SPOILER but it might be) when Katniss and Peeta are cohabiting, they share one sleeping bag and like, sneak a few kisses rather than do anything more. Yes, I realize TV cameras are on but they’re IN A SLEEPING BAG and they’re teens. Gimmie a break, no ones that virtuous. So the author chooses some light kissing but other “tributes” get impaled and eviscerated. It’s just….weird.

  13. David Poland says:

    Don… I really don’t know how commercial 21 Jump St will be. But it’s a funny little movie.

    And wasn’t Bridesmaids at SXSW?

  14. David Poland says:

    The RT score is, mostly, worthless.

    Using RT to read through a bunch of interesting takes can be terrific.

    Taste is not a democratic process.

  15. cadavra says:

    Don: The DVD of BATTLE ROYALE streets next week. Buy/rent it and see how it’s done for adults.

    Yancy: The first STOOGES trailer featured Larry getting his balls crushed by a lobster. I’d say there’ll be as many dick/vagina/boob/ass jokes as the PG-13 will allow…and then 20 or 30 more. This is The Farrelly Brothers, not Billy Wilder.

  16. Don R. Lewis says:

    DP- I dunno if BRIDESMAIDS was at SXSW but in any case, the bloggeratti didn’t drool all over it like they did ATTACK THE BLOCK, SCOTT PILGRIM, 21 JUMPSTREET and THE RAID. I swear, studios are going to stop over showing their films in Austin if the films they slather love on keep flopping. Shame too because they’re good movies, typically. And again, Austin is a film geek paradise. But it’s jumped the shark population wise. Or maybe I’m just jealous I can’t live there.

    Cadavra- I’ve seen BATTLE ROYALE and aside from a very, very basic premise, the two don’t share all that much. HUNGER GAMES is more of a look at the cruel ways political powers treat the poor. I found it more akin to Shirley Jackson’s THE LOTTERY as well as more futuristic, distopia type films somewhat like ROAD WARRIOR but even that’s not realllly the case. It’s a very clever story that touches on ideas but never dives in headlong, at least not in book one.

    I do agree my initial thought was that it’s a BATTLE ROYALE for the America pre-teen set, but it’s not really.

  17. JS Partisan says:

    Seriously, World War Z moving to next Summer is some shit. I get that they are moving the film to make as much money as it could at Xmas, but it’s still shit.

    Also, David, if LUCK keeps on losing horses. I wouldn’t assume a season 3 would happen. You can’t keep killing horses likes that and not expect to catch hell for it.

  18. chris says:

    Lionsgate setting up earlier screenings of “Hunger Games” for press. That suggests optimism is in order.

  19. chris says:

    Because Paramount wants “One Shot,” taking “World War Z”‘s slot, to make less money than it could? I suspect there’s more to the story than the official, optimize-potential line, JS Partisan.

  20. SamLowry says:

    I love the Movie Guys review of John Carter linked to on the front page. The entire article is quotable, like

    “My condolences to you, Andrew, and the rest of the audience members like me, who long to see great throwback spectacles like JOHN CARTER. If the early returns are any indication, the negative press and botched marketing campaign may have condemned us to the realm of wishful thinking, should we hope to see something so wondrous and original ever again. Instead, we’ll be cursed to endure more lack-luster creations based on board games, children’s toys, bad teen novels and increasingly obscure comic heroes. Memorable characters will take a back seat to more explosions and wiz-bang effects, and any semblances of narrative will seem like it was spit out of a random story-generating computer.”

    Their conclusion that the average moviegoer, who complained that the movie was too difficult to follow, is merely stupid is hard to disprove in a world where Transformers is not just a massive moneymaker, but has become so old and stale after less than 5 years that it must be rebooted.

    “Really, how hard was it to understand this film people? I know the trailers made it look like a mindless action flick, but it’s not. I’m sorry you couldn’t waltz in 10-minutes late with your face full of popcorn and your butter-stained fingers endlessly fumbling over your cell phone, and not be able to figure out what’s going on. It’s called attention. If you pay it, you’ll get it.”

    http://www.themovieguys.net/2012/03/13/movie-review-john-carter/

  21. anghus says:

    i don’t know why, but i have this feeling 21 Jump Street is going to be huge.

    The last time i had this feeling, i declared Cars 2 wouldn’t break 200 million and that John Carter would make ‘Prince of Persia’ numbers. Let’s see if the streak continues.

  22. leahnz says:

    the hunger games is kinda ‘the running man’ for teens. i guess at this rate if ‘hunger games’ catches fire, it’s that much more unlikely that adaptation of ‘the long walk’ being kicked around a while back will ever get made, bummer

  23. JS Partisan says:

    Ang, I want to agree with you because it makes sense. It really does, but who knows with these crazy moviegoers. They go and see the Lorax in droves, even though it’s panned. John Carter gets as panned and they avoid it in droves. This leaves me with no clue what the fuck is going on with Jumpstreet, but here’s hoping you’re right.

  24. christian says:

    What part of that Stooges trailer was funny? Snooki in your ad campaign is the height of desperation. Do people still just laugh at somebody getting kicked in the balls? Mike Judge is a genius.

  25. JS Partisan says:

    No, I get a real sense of the Stooges in that trailer, and that’s why it cracks me up. Those guys captured the essence of the Stooges and it feels like they are back.

  26. christian says:

    Those “Stooges” look like a cover band version.

  27. sanj says:

    check out the latest celebrities – actors mostly trying to
    sell things .. mostly fashion and makeup

    nearly everybody is 25 + years and have some sort of movie/tv award ..

    anybody going to buy any of these products after looking at the ads ?

    http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/67232344.html#cutid1

  28. bulldog68 says:

    Sorry Christian, but people still laugh at someone getting kicked in the balls, or falling down, or hitting their head, or plain physical comedy when done right. I’m one of those people.

  29. Yancy Skancy says:

    Cadavra: Well, the original Stooges films weren’t exactly Billy Wilder either, you know. :)

  30. cadavra says:

    Don: Interesting. As I said, I’ve only seen the trailer, so I’ll reserve final judgment until I see HUNGER itself.

    BTW, apparently Warners is premiering a DARK SHADOWS trailer on Sunday night’s episode of ONCE UPON A TIME. About. Freaking. Time. (Though it wouldn’t have hurt them to buy SIMPSONS and HARRY’S LAW as well. If they only see this as an under-25 picture, they’re in deep trouble.)

  31. JS Partisan says:

    If that’s how you feel Christian, that’s how you feel. I’m shocked that the trailer makes me laugh at all, but they once again got those archetypes right for me.

  32. sanj says:

    so i noticed that sony pictures – they end up using a lot of sony products in their movies – friends with benefits
    had tons of different sony products – mostly tv’s and computers … 21 jump street is a sony picture – so how much sony product is there ?

    isn’t new spiderman movie part of sony ? how many sony products will we see in that picture …

    product placement when done right doesn’t bug me too much – does it bug any of you ?

    and why isn’t sony smart enough to put product placements in dp/30′s ? there could easily be a huge sony tv in the background for 30 full minutes ..
    but it’s easier to see Mila Kunis using a sony computer i guess .

  33. hcat says:

    So should we start a pool on how long it takes Hunger Games to become Lionsgate’s highest grossing film? I’d put five down on day 15.

  34. sanj says:

    Jennifer Lawrence denies feud with Kristen Stewart

    they never met before ..

    funny 1 minute video

    http://www.accesshollywood.com/the-hunger-games/jennifer-lawrence-discusses-her-rumored-feud-with-kristen-stewart_videotab_1388860

  35. sanj says:

    watched Beauty Day = a feature-length documentary chronicling the life and times of Ralph Zavadil, aka Cap’n Video – he did jackass stunts before jackass but didn’t get
    as famous as those guys ..

    they get into his personal life which is interesting …
    some great direction too

    check out trailer and clips here

    http://beautydaydocumentary.com/

  36. Bennett says:

    I am interested on how Dark Shadows look. It has to balance a very fine line. By vague memories of the television show was a cheesy soap opera. It could be a minor box office success or a complete disaster. The more that WB appears to hide it the more curious I am. I am sure that WB spent big money on it, yet it is far from a sure thing.

    Yeah I think the Hunger Games will be big too. I don’t think it will break March records(ala Alice in Wonderland that had that 3D post Avatar swing), but I think an opening between Twlight and New Moon is pretty much guaranteed.

  37. Don R. Lewis says:

    I wish it no ill-will but I don’t think the masses are going to rush to see 21 JUMPSTREET. Many “normies” (ie; people who don’t follow movies all that closely) I know think it’s a stupid idea based off a stupid show and I just don’t see great buzz helping people get over that hump.

    Also- anyone catch the normally awesome Anne Thompson totally BLOW the cameo that’s in 21 JUMPSTREET?!? Fucking twitter. They should rename it Twitspoiler.

  38. movieman says:

    My “Dark Shadows” dream would be for Tim Burton to make it his very own “Ed Wood Film” with cheapjack production values, boom mikes visible in every other shot, inept “special effects” and deliberately atrocious acting.
    That’s the only way it could be faithful in spirit, (physical) look and feel to the original series.
    Of course, that’s just my dream, sigh.

  39. christian says:

    Nothing wrong with good physical comedy but isn’t everyone tired of the same gag at the end of every trailer or even TV ad with somebody getting kicked punched smashed by something? 21 JUMP STREET fits that bill.

  40. Hendhogan says:

    Can anyone who saw a screening of “Hunger Games” tell me if they altered Gale’s role from the book? I don’t want to spoil anything, but the script I read had a VERY different storyline for him that drew him into the story more in book one.

    And Don, having read the other two books, it plays out more. I don’t know the circumstances of the couple sleeping in the same sleeping bag in the movie, but in the book POTENTIAL SPOILER Peeta was sick and she’s not in love with him at that time, just playing to cameras.

  41. jesse says:

    Don, always dangerous to rely on anecdotal evidence as any kind of representative sample. I think the combination of two well-known if not overexposed/oversaturated stars, an easy-to-understand premise (and, sigh, brand name), a funny trailer, and the lack of a recent hit action-buddy-comedy, and no other wide releases this weekend equals more or a less a perfect storm for 21 Jump Street to do Superbad-ish numbers. Maybe a bigger opening but with a bigger drop-off… but I don’t know, could go higher, too. I’m guessing it can open to at least $30 million, as Lorax dips to 20something and John Carter falls down to the $16 million range. Jump Street is also well-positioned to hold up next weekend when Hunger Games takes at least 120.

    The movies that seem like they should be most worried are Wrath of the Titans and Mirror Mirror on 3/30. Mirror Mirror seems to be going after more of a kid audience, which might help it, but with The Lorax sucking up a ton of money and some kids probably going to Titans and Hunger Games, it might need more of a girl audience… that will be even more distracted with Hunger Games. HG could also potentially take away from the action/fantasy Wrath of the Titans crowd; hell, Titans and Mirror Mirror seem to overlap with each other, too, if only somewhat.

    This might put Titans more in trouble on the balance, because if Mirror Mirror makes 60 or 70, it’s probably seen as a win. Titans pretty much needs to make 150+ to not come off like one of those also-ran summer sequels like Fantastic Four 2.

    I guess April is still considered bad luck or dump time or whatever, even after Fast Five, which is too bad because I feel like one or both of those movies could’ve easily slid into the 4/13 or 4/20 weekends that have plenty of movies but nothing BIG: a second-tier Sparks romance, another DisneyNature feature, Three Stooges, Cabin in the Woods, Lockout…

    Strangely, 4/27 has movies that don’t seem like dumps: Five-Year Engagement and AArdman’s Pirates movie. Studios get so weirdly literal about release dates. Fast Five opening huge at the end of April isn’t taken to mean “hey, movies can open big anywhere if it’s the right movie!” so much as “hey, movies can open big on the last weekend of April!”

  42. JS Partisan says:

    Jesse, Wrath of the Titans is probably more of an international box office movie than a domestic one. If it makes 400 to 500 million internationally, Warners could that as see it as a win. Especially if Wrath cost around the same as Clash.

  43. jesse says:

    Fair point. Which raises the question: what mega-budget aspiring blockbuster DOESN’T do at least moderately well overseas? It seems like these days almost every movie that does middling to pretty good here gets saved by its international performance.

  44. chris says:

    Agreed on the spoiler, Don. SPOILER In this case, it’s practically a spoiler just to say that there is a cameo in “21 Jump Street.”

  45. I don’t know what the big deal is about the spoiler cameo. I spotted (SPOILER) Holly Robinson Pete (SPOILER) in the trailer for goodness sake! As for as box office prospects, I imagine it will open quite well for reasons unrelated to geek-love (for what it’s worth, I really really liked it but didn’t quite love it). It’s a mainstream action-comedy with known stars (Tatum’s having a heck of a run this year) and an amusing trailer. It’s the only wide release this weekend and it’s the definition of the ‘casual choice’ for regular moviegoers who drive to the theater on Friday and want to see something new. The reviews will obviously help, but in the end the film will probably open well purely because it’s been sold in a way that is appealing to mainstream audiences, irrespective of its geek cachet.

  46. SamLowry says:

    Surprised I haven’t seen anything on the front page yet about the MPAA demanding that Britain hand over a UK citizen who was “linking to streaming videos hosted elsewhere”–something that is legal in the UK–and today the Home Secretary agreed:

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120313/10132918091/uk-govt-agrees-to-extradite-richard-odwyer-to-us-linking-to-possibly-infringing-stuff.shtml

    or http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-17355203

    According to ICE, his website collected $230k in ads, for “merely direct[ing] users to other sites, making it similar to Google.”

  47. Don R. Lewis says:

    I think it’ll be an interesting 21 JUMPSTREET opening either way, we shall see. I get a distinct THE OTHER GUYS vibe from it but I have heard it’s much better.

    Also- just saw SILENT HOUSE. Oy. Interesting from a sheer filmmaking POV but as a movie, what a pointless thing. The one-take thing serves no purpose other than to be a novelty. But man, Elizabeth Olsen can act and ain’t too tough on the eyes.

  48. sanj says:

    Free Samples movie trailer with Jess Weixler – Jesse Eisenberg

    A Stanford law-school dropout named Jillian escapes to the anonymity of Los Angeles to figure out what she wants to do with her life,

    http://www.tribecafilm.com/filmguide/free_samples-film39544.html#.T2ET8_X0_Kc

    i didn’t find this funny or dramatic .. i don’t see this winning many movie awards … the writer has done
    2 movies …

  49. JS Partisan says:

    Luck has been cancelled. Bad news for fans, but this horse should have never been put in that situation because Luck should have never gotten another season.

  50. arisp says:

    ^Good one. How’s the standup tour going?

  51. JS Partisan says:

    You do know that Luck has been cancelled, right?

  52. arisp says:

    Yes I do. Why shouldn’t it have gotten another season? B/c you didn’t like it?

  53. JS Partisan says:

    It didn’t have the ratings to necessitate another season. Broadwalk Empire received a season 2 pick up the next day because it drew 4.8 million people. That’s a reason to pick up a show for another year. Luck never came close and that’s reason enough why that third horse did not have to die. HBO also should not have given it another season after having TWO HORSES die on the set.

    Oh yeah, a repcon giving me crap for not liking something is pretty funny. Especially something that I don’t even hate.

  54. arisp says:

    I don’t know what a repcon is b/c I speak normal English.

    What the reasons are behind HBO renewing shows is probably something you know nothing about. Just a hunch. Did they consult you when they brought back Life and Times of Tim? Or why Eastbound and Down is still around?

    As far as the horses go (which is what your initial post should have been solely about if you’re going to bring it up now) – have there been any reports that these animals were mistreated or abused, or ‘used’ wrongly? If so, yes, the show should have been cancelled. If not, then it sounds like bad luck. I’m pretty sure the animal protection groups on set during filming, not to mention the animal wranglers and the owners of the horses, would have been all over this had the show been negligent.

  55. leahnz says:

    zero: the amount of horses that should die making a fucking tv show. two horses were already badly hurt and had to be put down because of injuries sustained in filming the races; clearly the people whose job it is to keep the horses safe during production don’t know what the hell they’re doing, maybe they should be maimed and shot.

  56. js partisan says:

    Arisp, HBO explain why they do things. I know your kind hate the learning, but you can read about these things on the internet. Giving luck another year so soon seemed like throwing a bone to a guy they like. I’m inferring there which is what people with intelligence do all the time but seeing as you are a repcon, I doubt you could do the same.

  57. arisp says:

    Oh it ‘seemed’ like it to you, did it? When did you stop working there? I didn’t realize you had such deep insight into upper level management decisions at HBO. I’m sure you can find their general number and tell them how to run their slate.

  58. Russell Stein says:

    Zing!

  59. MPYkov says:

    JS Partisan – I have a question for you… If you’re convinced that the board certified animal monitors on-set were negligent, and if you care so much about horses, are you going to write a letter to the governing body and the state expressing your displeasure? After all, it SEEMS like these people either didn’t do their jobs, or were terrible at their jobs and are responsible. I mean they were paid to make sure this kind of thing didn’t happen, right?

  60. Don R. Lewis says:

    Having married into a family of horse lovers (of which I am firmly in the camp of: NOT A FAN) I never really realized what fragile creatures they are. Unlike J.S., I have no clue what happened on-set but although they are large and majestic and all that, they’re huuuuuge wusses. Again, I have no clue what happened there but if you think horses are sturdy and hearty, think again.

  61. arisp says:

    JS has no clue what happened on set either, Don.

  62. JS Partisan says:

    Don, unlike Arisp I am not an repcon, a REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE, and thus can INFER FROM WHAT I HAVE READ! I can also share it with you. Read up yokels!
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/hbo-cancels-luck-horse-dies-production-article-1.1039275

    Seriously Arisp, if your kind can’t even use the internet. They sure as shit can’t lead a country. If anyone defends arisp in the least, they are defending a pure and utter dipshit.

    MPjerkoff, that’s why PETA EXIST. Is it stupid fuck night tonight here at the hot blog, or have the special people who can’t read decided to rise up against those that can?

  63. Mr. Inference says:

    JS, since PETA exist to report malfeasance on the set of tv shows that have government mandated bureaucrats (who don’t do their jobs to oversee them), I am glad you’re here to stick it to the man on a film blog. Way to go. Also, what else have you inferred about Arisp? Does he/she drive a sports car? Do they like cheese? Do they like crappy tv? Drop some knowledge on us!

  64. leahnz says:

    it doesn’t exactly take a genius degree in finger-clicking to find out what happened to the first two horses during filming — there WERE claims of negligence and misconduct, using injured animals and unsafe practices that lead to having to put two animals to death that then required the humane society to step in to oversee stricter safety practices for season two. readily available facts, but i guess that makes ganging up less fun, eh

  65. JS Partisan says:

    Leah, apparently they are against people figuring shit out for themselves. Go figure.

    Also, Arisp, how am I sticking it to the man? I stated that a show that should not have gotten a second season by any stretch of the imagination, got cancelled. This led to your backward ass getting pissy about it. Excuse me for being able to read and inferring you daft bastard.

    Luck is gone, it’s over, and why it’s over is readily available for you to read and infer what happen for yourselves. If you are that fucking ignorant to do that for yourself, then go over to Hollywood Elsehwhere and fuck with Wells.

  66. Foamy Squirrel says:

    What’s this? Leah and JS agreeing with each other? Surely the end times are nigh! ;)

  67. SamLowry says:

    Yay, my suggestion made it to the front page!

    Now I’d like to see how the US reacts when a Muslim nation demands the extradition of any American citizen who dares to visually depict Mohammed. Apparently the “It’s legal HERE” defense doesn’t work anymore.

  68. JS Partisan says:

    FS, a lot of things have changed man.

  69. arisp says:

    JS – there are ways to control the anger management issues you seem to have. Exercise is one way. Even a brisk walk in the morning does wonders. Here’s a link (apologies that it’s from the NY Times):

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/phys-ed-can-exercise-moderate-anger/

    And yes, so glad you brought politics into this – what a surprise. The easiest form of attack for the weak-minded. I apologize for the blatant partisan nature of my comments about a TV show about horses – I will try to mask my deep-seated hatred of Obama next time I comment about a show being cancelled. Sorry I was so blatant.

    I heard Huffington is looking for writers – they don’t pay anything, but that’s pretty much what you’re worth.

  70. David Poland says:

    I have no idea what happened to this horse. I believe that one reason to stop production is that the production team clearly didn’t really understand how to do the show without injuring horses.

    The last 3 episodes of the season promised a 2nd season with the potential to work on a Sopranos level. No idea whether that would come to pass. But there was a lot of potential as the story became clearer.

  71. SamLowry says:

    Oh, and here’s a major headline I have yet to see, deduced by doing some additional reading during the recent Limbaugh & Breitbart debates on this site:

    “Pre-natal tests may reveal if your baby will be a conservative or a liberal”

    Audacious, yes? But you don’t have to read far through http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/want-to-understand-republ_b_1262542.html to discover “I listed seven published studies showing a consistent set of physiological, brain, and “attentional” differences between liberals and conservatives. Later on my blog, I listed no less than eleven studies showing genetic differences as well.”

    Genetic differences, between liberals and conservatives.

    Here are the studies he mentions: http://scienceprogressaction.org/intersection/2012/01/the-left-and-the-right-part-ii-eleven-genetic-studies/ Yet if there are genetic differences, you should be able to find them with a blood test, right? And if you do an amnio, and realize you don’t want to raise a Limbaugh-listener or, alternately, a bunny-hugger, then won’t that lead to surrendering custody at best, abortion at worst?

    Raising teenagers is hellacious enough, but if you could avoid all the arguments stemming from a mutual hatred of each others’ worldview, would you pursue it?

  72. JS Partisan says:

    http://networkedblogs.com/vbWhq Seriously.

    Arisp, yadda yadda yadda.

  73. Foamy Squirrel says:

    So you’re fine with me calling you Shirley?

  74. scooterzz says:

    i hesitate to get involved and risk the idiotic wrath of io but here’s the deal…PETA has NOTHING to do with this…the use of animals in entertainment is supervised by ‘the animal humane association: film & television unit’…they are the oldest voice for animals in entertainment and have been a required presence since 1940…PETA means nothing…SAG and AFTRA ‘demand’ the presence of AHA on any production using animals (they’re the folk who ‘own’ the ‘no animals were harmed during the filming….” card that appears at the end of movies/tv shows…. they are a huge on-set presence and have done wonders to protect animals…sometimes shit happens but, i have to believe, it wasn’t because of their lack of attention…
    that said, i thought the series sucked and would like to believe the horses offed themselves to save us from another season…just a thought….

  75. JS Partisan says:

    My god, I know what the AHA does on a movie set. PETA sent HBO a letter on the 6th, and fucking with PETA leads to bad press. That’s the point being made. The AHA were on set for this last death and reading about what happened, is pretty fucking depressing. Nevertheless, cross PETA at your own discretion.

  76. MoretzRules says:

    They don’t shut down movies when stuntmen or even ACTORS die.

  77. scooterzz says:

    oy, and there she blows…

  78. Foamy Squirrel says:

    PETA is pretty much ONLY about the press. According to their own website, the use of horses for filmed entertainment is against their principles because they’d been abused by being domesticated. Heck, they would probably be favorably disposed to the horses dying, since PETA have by their own reporting a 90% euthanasia rate for animals placed in their care. They’re so good at disposing of animals that two of their workers were charged with 62 charges of animal cruelty for killing dogs given to them for adoption and then disposing of them in dumpsters.

    In other words, PETA is the last group I’d listen to when discussing the welfare of horses on Luck.

  79. sanj says:

    100′s of reaction videos for Kony 2012

    this doesn’t happen to often with documentaries ..

    i watched quite a few and teenagers actually seem to care
    about this ..

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kony+2012+reaction

  80. Yancy Skancy says:

    If LUCK was pulling a couple million viewers per episode, it wouldn’t have been canceled.

    And, ahem, “MoretzRules” is right — if an actor playing a jockey had fallen off a horse during a shoot and died, well, “the show must go on.”

  81. leahnz says:

    not really, that’s a pretty dodgy comparison on a couple fronts: a) a jockey (or stuntperson or actor) has the ability to reason, understand the risks of an inherently dangerous task assuming best practice to keep them safe, sign a contract and get paid for dangerous stunts, it’s an informed CHOICE – not so for horses used as fodder for our amusement and utterly at the mercy of the competency of those whose responsibility it is to keep them safe; they can’t say, after being put into inherently dangerous situations and getting injured and then being made to do it again (for the sake of some dog-n-pony show), “you morons don’t know what the fuck you’re doing, this isn’t safe, i’m not doing that.” no, they just die;

    and b) it was not just one horse; if jockeys/stuntmen/actors – who as it turns out were kept doped up on painkillers so that they could keep performing after being injured – starting dying off one after another, one killed filming a race, then ANOTHER, and then yet ANOTHER jockey was killed in an accident on the set, i very much doubt production would just carry on as per ushe.

  82. JS Partisan says:

    Yancy, I would be that cynical about the cancellation, if it were not for PETA about to go full-bore on them. The third horse, unfortunately, gave them an out to avoid being lambasted in the media by PETA for putting on a show that possibly featured horse abuse and/or mistreatment. I’d put money down that even if it were drawing as much as Game of Thrones, they’d have to cancel Luck, because no one (companies are people now) needs to have PETA going after them with ANIMAL ABUSE claims.

    Now, if a jockey had died in a freak accident. The show would probably go on. If a jockey had died after evidence had been presented, that jockeys were being abused and mistreated on the show? They’d have to cancel it. You can’t have a show on the air that is abusing or mistreating animals or people to be made. You just can’t.

  83. hcat says:

    With its low ratings, high cost and lackluster reviews Luck must have been a headache for HBO brass. The bad press and probable low set morale caused by the horse deaths must have made it an easy decision to have the show itself taken out back and shot.

    And Jason Gedrick fades back into the showbiz ember to return again Brigadoon-like in about 6 years or so.

  84. christian says:

    What leah said.

    And anybody surprised that 21 JUMP STREET might have the most obvious star cameo ever…

    And who could gave seen this coming?

    “A spring break rave in a Houston mansion that was meant to emulate a movie turned deadly early Wednesday morning after several attendees fired guns, killing one person as police tried to break up the party.
    The unidentified male victim suffered multiple gunshot wounds and died at Ben Taub General Hospital, Houston police told ABCNews.com.

    The party, which attracted between 500 and 1,000 guests, was meant to copy the party thrown in “Project X”.

    http://gma.yahoo.com/houston-teen-killed-project-x-inspired-party-202659149–abc-news.html

  85. Don R. Lewis says:

    PETA is against horse racing so it stands to reason they’d be against LUCK. The Wrap has an interesting article today which ties into what was said above by others and what I kind of believe too; HBO was looking for a reason to can the show due to low to mediocre ratings and dying horses were that excuse.

  86. Yancy Skancy says:

    leah: I didn’t mean to sound callous or anything. I just meant to state what I felt was a fact, without getting into the right or wrong of it. Of course you’re correct about the distinctions you make between humans and animals. And yes, if multiple human deaths occurred, even without a discernible pattern, the show probably would’ve gotten the ax even quicker.

  87. Paul D/Stella says:

    Of course I wasn’t there, but it’s hard to believe that David Milch would condone or be party to cruelty to horses. Apparently he’s been a horse racing fan for years and loves them. The show clearly presented horses as animals of beauty. Watching the horse racing scenes, some of which featured a horse getting injured, I wondered how they pulled them off. Maybe there just isn’t a completely safe way to do it. Not sure how CGI factors into it. I’ll miss Luck.

  88. sanj says:

    new podcast from nerdist

    The JV Club: Christina Hendricks

    1 hour audio – talk about early acting / model stuff ..
    about growing up in the middle of nowwhere – nothing really about mad men tv series ..

    i found the most interesting part was 5 minute talk about
    social media – she doesn’t like it when people say mean
    things on twitter … people should be nicer because
    actors have feeling too.

    http://www.nerdist.com/2012/03/the-jv-club-1-christina-hendricks/

    she married this actor — Geoffrey Arend

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Arend

  89. sanj says:

    pretty good 5 minute video about digital downloads

    Rob Reid: The $8 billion iPod

    http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_the_8_billion_ipod.html

  90. SamLowry says:

    After reading the story christian linked to, I foresee lawsuits, many, many lawsuits:

    “Thirteen teenagers were arrested after trashing a new 4,000-square-foot home last Thursday. Nearly every window was smashed. Sheet-rock had been torn out and was left all over the floor of the half-million dollar house.

    Police caught up with the teens the next day when they were throwing another party in the new home development.

    “I asked some of the kids why, and they said ‘Project X.’ And I said, ‘O.K., what’s ‘Project X’?'”"

    I guess they don’t pay cops enough to keep up with teen culture.

  91. Don R. Lewis says:

    And said lawsuits will result in the same result as lawsuits brought against heavy metal music for causing suicide and drug use. And an unfortunate side effect could be more people going to see PROJECT X.

  92. SamLowry says:

    And it’ll keep these guys inside courtrooms so long that they and many others will think long and hard about doing anything even remotely similar. After all, how many musicians have put out anything like “Suicide Solution” since then?

  93. Don R. Lewis says:

    I dunno, ask Kurt Cobain. Oh, wait…

  94. sanj says:

    i wonder how much longer the dp/30′s can go on without any ads … like with basic random movie trailers before the dp/30 would be good ..

    if more ads means more dp/30 – i say go for it … plus
    actors don’t care about this stuff do they ?
    if there’s a giant logo in the background of a dp/30
    by a sponsor

    also want a few new formats dp/30 – the impossibles – people that are impossible to get to dicuss movies like Obama – Banksy – Adam Sandler

    plus dp/5 – 5 minute interviews with regular people who aren’t connected to the movie industry – let them rant about whatever they want .

    the movie theatre experience means nothing to me – in a room full of 200 people i still feel alone .
    happens every time.

  95. Paul D/Stella says:

    http://io9.com/5893731/the-dark-shadows-trailer-this-might-be-tim-burtons-most-ridiculous-movie-yet

    Was the show a wacky comedy? I’ve never seen it. I don’t know about this. Looks like something to watch on cable when nothing better is on.

  96. SamLowry says:

    It was a soap opera, with a vampire as the central character. That would sound like a surefire hit nowadays, except he was more Bela than Edward.

    And I asked a Twihard tween last week about the propriety of an old man putting the moves on an underage girl, and the girl said it was okay because he “looks young”. Don’t know how well that defense will work in states where “15 will get you 20″.

  97. Don R. Lewis says:

    I heard it was a soap opera with a vampire in the lead and later, other monsters showed up. There’s episodes in Netflix Instant and the remake of the series is on Hulu. I added em, but haven’t checked them out. I also added that 70′s series (well, season) Kolchak that inspired the X-FILES. I remember seeing it as a kid so I’m curious about how good it is. I loved it as a kid but I was a creeper who was obsessed with the Universal Monsters.

  98. christian says:

    Aren’t most vampires technically “old” since they’ve been undead for centuries?

  99. SamLowry says:

    For the Twihards, it’s all about appearance. If it was Bela Lugosi hitting on a teenage girl, they’d call the cops.

    It doesn’t matter to them that Edward was around when Teddy Roosevelt was president–if he looks young, then he is young. Thus the question I raised months ago when I asked if it would be okay for Donald Trump to bang underage girls if he spent a mil to have himself surgically altered to look fifteen.

    Which is the exact same situation in Twilight.

  100. Yancy Skancy says:

    The DARK SHADOWS soap was not intentionally funny. Diehard older fans of it are going to hit the ceiling over that trailer. But it looks like fun to me.

  101. Paul D/Stella says:

    I don’t know I thought the humor was pretty obvious and lame. A surly teenage girl. A Chevy instead of horses. The TV. Not exactly great comedy.

  102. movieman says:

    ….what Yancy said.

    WTF?!?!? Truly. WTF?!?!?
    Fans of the original series were probably too young at the time to realize what a hissable, amateur hour crock “Dark Shadows” truly was–and their rose-colored memories are tinted with ever unreliable “nostalgia.” The cheekiness of Burton spoofing (“Love at First Bite” anyone?) this uber fetishized series will surely cause more than a few aneurisms among the “DS” faithful.
    Whether there are enough potential moviegoers (completely) unfamiliar with the series’ ethos, and willing to give it a shot out of fealty to Burton/Depp/A Combination of the Two remains to be seen.
    I think it looks like goofy, stylish “Beetlejuice”-y fun, but I still wish Burton had made a $100-million “Ed Wood Movie” with deliberately sh***y production values/acting that would have truly captured the spirit of the (beyond-wretched-which-is-why-I-dig-it) original.
    Glad WB FINALLY got a trailer out, though.
    I guess it really is opening in May after all!

  103. JS Partisan says:

    Yeah, that freaking Dark Shadows trailer is ridiculous, in a good way. Seriously, I can’t wait to see the freaking thing now.

  104. Paul D/Stella says:

    I guess I had misplaced expectations. I didn’t realize it was going to be a comedy. Still doesn’t look all that funny to me.

  105. JKill says:

    As a big fan of Milch/Mann and someone who has heard good things about the show from people I trust, I have been look forward to starting LUCK. I’m a bit bummed about this news because I’ve heard, as David says above, that the show had potential to be truly great. But obviously, if there is no safe way to do the show for the animals, there’s no safe way to do the show. I keep thinking of WAR HORSE, which I don’t remember any troubling allegations about, so I’m thinking maybe even with an HBO budget, there’s no way to do convincing CGI or animatronic horses.

    Curious what this means for HBO’s line-up in the coming years, since I got the impression from the early renewal that they desired LUCK to be one of their next classic television shows. I’m wondering if this makes THE CORRECTIONS an automatic pick-up, if it wasn’t already, and what it means for Milch’s possible Faulkner adaptation that was reported on a little bit ago.

  106. anghus says:

    There are still fans of Dark Shadows? Seriously? How much of the viewing audience will that compose? 5%?

    http://special.movies.yahoo.co.jp/detail/20120315076798/

    The Japanese Avengers trailer is excellent.

  107. movieman says:

    Trust me, JKill.
    “Luck” would have never become a “classic” HBO series a la “Deadwood,” “The Sopranos,” “Six Feet Under,” etc., no matter how many seasons it aired.
    As a stand alone two-hour movie, it’s shortcomings (lack of compelling narrative, deliberate obfuscation, no particularly likable or even empathetic characters, etc., etc.) might not have been so noticeable, or annoying.
    But as a weekly series you (hopefully) return to week after week/year after year, it was a profoundly alienating, albeit high-toned bust.
    HBO should have given Milch the bucks to bankroll that once-upon-a-time-promised “Deadwood Movie” instead. Of course, it might have been tough nailing Olyphant and Hawkes down at this point in their post-”D-wood” careers.

  108. Foamy Squirrel says:

    Holy poop, Japan has to wait until August for Avengers?

    I’m glad I don’t live there any more, waiting for Return of the King was bad enough.

  109. sanj says:

    crazy pressure yo.

    John Carter Likely to be the Biggest Flop of All-Time

    “What went wrong? A lot of the blame goes to director Andrew Stanton.”

    http://gammasquad.uproxx.com/2012/03/john-carter-likely-to-be-the-biggest-flop-of-all-time

  110. sanj says:

    2 minutes ..kid sings on a pier / beach

    My Heart Goes On – Titanic Cover

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t-0WYWxGg1w

  111. Don R. Lewis says:

    Having just finished THE CORRECTIONS, I don’t really see how it can be all that compelling of a show or mini-series. I liked it o.k. but FREEDOM (also by Franzen) is a zillion times better, more timely and better structured for visual media. The cast for THE CORRECTIONS is pretty spot-on but still….not sure how it would work.

    And I echo the sentiment that the DARK SHADOWS trailer makes the movie look like a hoot. I’m in!

  112. JS Partisan says:

    Oh yeah just to put it out there. A lot of us are down for Dark Shadows but it’s probably going to bomb, right?

  113. Don R. Lewis says:

    I’d actually venture it will do well but will likely suck.

  114. SamLowry says:

    Just you wait, 35 years from now someone will dust off Twilight–figuring there could still be some nostalgia to mine–and do an all-comedy version, causing post-menopausal women worldwide to take a collective dump.

    I’m assuming the TV series was a major inspiration for Anne Rice, considering how morose and moody it was.

    As for “There are still fans of Dark Shadows?”, the wiki page says that the main reason it was cancelled was because the audience was primarily under 18, which at the time was considered the kiss of death for advertisers hoping to reach their mothers, who actually made household buying decisions. So therefore most fans haven’t even reached sixty yet.

  115. JS Partisan says:

    I will go the other way. It will get the John Carter treatment. A fine film that some how vexes modern audiences and will not make that much. Seriously, Helena Bonham Carter bopping her head in the disco scene gives me hope, that it may actually be wonderful.

  116. sanj says:

    DP should bail him out of jail and then finally get a dp/30 out of it.

    George Clooney arrested at Sudan embassy

    The actor was taking part in a protest to warn of a humanitarian crisis in the volatile border area between Sudan and South Sudan.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17403715

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